At the beginning of the discussion, the participants recalled the meeting of Peter and Katie, noting their complete transformation. It was also mentioned that according to Wynand, he was “selfless” in the deepest sense, since he gave his soul to the crowd. Opinions were expressed as to whether this was true selflessness or a corrupted form of selfishness.

In the second part of the meeting, an interesting discussion took place about Roark’s assertion that the real evil is not selfishness, but the absence of “self.” The attendees noted how much they agree that a secondary attitude towards oneself is more destructive than outright greed or ambition.